If AIDS is a HOAX...

[Mr. Muhammad]

...then WHAT are all these alleged "AIDS Victims" dying from???

RM

[Mr. Muhammad]

THANK YOU!!

This is all that I am saying.

As a matter of fact, you can email me whatever info you have...

[e-mail]

...so as not to unnecessarily "crowd" the board.

Peace.

RM

[TR]

If you have a combination of cetain symptoms, you will be labled with AIDS.

[Awoɔ & the H.T. is Jackin' for Pips!!]

It appears that what's being asked in this thread in a round-about way really is can you prove that African people aren't the most "sexually deviant" people on the planet and THAT, my friends, is an argument I just can't entertain.

[Mr. Muhammad]

Dear Yao...

If that is what you are getting from my question, then you have gravely misunderstood...

I would invite you to read over my words again, carefully, and see if you come away with the same impression.

Alas, what we see when we look at a thing says more about our perception than about the thing we are looking at.

Peace.

RM

[Mr. Muhammad]

Salaam (Peace) to all...

Dear Family, I genuinely thank all of you for your input and passion on this subject.

I want you all to know that my reluctance to just "accept" what is presented should in NO WAY be interpreted as an invalidation or trivialization of the Love that each of you obviously has for our people. I share that Love with you.

I just am not one to accept something just because "everybody 'knows' it's true".

I am of the position that "knowledge" is the result of "experience". Anything short of that I put in the category of "belief". There is much that I know...and there is much more that I "don't know"...but only Believe, based on what I DO know.

This is my way. So just understand that when something is presented to me as "Truth" or "Knowledge", I am going to have some questions...but don't take it personally. I Love you all.

Peace.

RM

[Yolanda]

Food for Thought . . .

All knowledge is hearsay or "see"say. What proof is there that Allah exists? Where is the tangible evidence of Allah, and to go further, where is the tangible proof of Jesus, Muhammad and any other prophet of man? All these things are figments of the minds of men.

We call the waters, sea. We call the darkness of night, space. We call the unseen hand upon our neck, wind. We call the language, English--because our Euro captors called it so. Where are our scientists? Where are our health specialists? Where are our research facilities and our electron microscopes that will allow us to glimpse somethingness or nothingness? All the knowledge the present-day Afrikan Amerikkan has, unfortunately, originates from rummaging and comparing one white man's notes to another. Since many of us only know one language, we're limited to one man's varying points of view.

How many of us have read what the Chinese have to say on the issue of AIDS? Or the Russians? Or the Indians? Or the MauMau? Or the Portuguese? Or the Koreans? In their language?

What makes evidence evidence? What makes one man's evidence more credible than another man's?

Why is it that we are so naturally inclined to believe the establishment doom and gloom when it comes to us? This is unconscious, deep-rooted, slave-favor-master, manifestation of self-hate.

"I baleeves the white man when he say ums dyin's. Not the black mans who says I'se livin."

Seriously, how can one man's thoughts be given validity when his thoughts are always taught to him by another? The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us, with every statement . . . is that not hearsay? Where is his lab?

[Mr. Muhammad]

Sis. Yolanda...

You are making my point. The difference between me and those of you who disagree with me is that I have no problem admitting that "i don't know", if I don't know; and if I haven't experienced something directly for myself, I can't boast that I "know" it. The best that I can say is that I "believe" it, based on whatever evidence I have experienced.

On the other hand, some of you who have disagreed so strongly with my position seem to refuse to acknowledge that you don't actually "know" what the fact of the matter is...but you are "believing" the word of another. And I'm not even saying you're wrong for doing that. If you have sufficient factual evidence to support your belief, that is fine.

But don't try to get me to accept that you KNOW what you admit you have no direct experience with.

And when someone says, "check my videos of phd's"...you must realize that you are, again, asking me to accept someone's word.

Yes, I accept the word of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, based on my examination of the related evidence. I BELIEVE that he is correct in his teaching because his teaching is supported by those principles of creation that I am able to observe and interact with.

I have no problem saying "I believe" as opposed to "I Know", when I actually don't "know".

That is a significant difference between you and I. And I can accept that...

Can we move on now?

RM

[Brother Eric]

Mr Muhammed, One more point before we move on.

You know and learn information from your ability to reason and discover, especially if it is based on your experience. You know that what we call a sun exists because of the evidence of its existence. Most of us know that HIV is a Hoax because of the lack of evidence supporting HIV and its violation of rules already established in the medical literature.

So I am speaking from what I know, and until HIV can be proven to operate the way the establishment says, then I can say that I know that HIV is Hoax.

I see the HIV Hoax as no different from someone telling me that wild lions are vegans despite the evidence that proves they are meat eaters. Certainly, I can say what I know about lions just from the supporting evidence.

[Mr. Muhammad]

"Most of us know that HIV is a Hoax because of the lack of evidence supporting HIV and its violation of rules already established in the medical literature."

You don't see the logical error in this statement?

I'm done....

Peace.

RM

[Brother Eric]

There is a lack of Evidence to support what the establishment is saying about the virus. I use the phrase most of us know because obviously there are people like yourself who do not know. To clarify further, most of the people dialoging with you currently on this topic know. I make the claim that I know HIV is a HOAX and as you see there are others who believe this as well. I feel that people should stand strong on what they do know and not waver.

HIV violates the rules for isolation. Therefore, if someone lies about isolation and they perpetuate a lie, I think it is safe to say that what is being perpetuated is a Hoax especially when millions of people believe in a lie.

[Yolanda]

I really had no intention of responding again, but just thought I'd let you know I received the comment. Frankly, it's no use throwing myself in front of a moving car, simply to prove to someone that it might kill me. That's what continuing this discussion is like.

If you believe in HIV/AIDS, then do so full throttle. That would mean, promote their drugs, promote their testing, promote their inflated numbers of deaths, promote the fact that your Afrikan brothers and sisters are being fed toxic drugs without even the "benefit" of testing.

Go.all.the.way.

Anything we undertake should be undertaken with our full devotion. And if you can live with that, then that's what you do. To continue this discussion, would be to continue talking in circles. My energies are better utilized elsewhere.

Peace and blessings in abundance . . .

[Mr. Muhammad]

Sis. Yolanda...

Again, I never said, one way or the other, that I believe or disbelieve in your proposition. I said I am not satisfied with the argument being presented.

And as a consequence of my saying that, you make yet another illogical assumption:

"If you believe in HIV/AIDS...

"then...That would mean, promote their drugs, promote their testing, promote their inflated numbers of deaths, promote the fact that your Afrikan brothers and sisters are being fed toxic drugs without even the "benefit" of testing."

This is not necessarily true. One could accept that HIV/AIDS is real, and yet promote HOLISTIC remedies, alternative testing methods, and also discourage chemical/toxic treatments...

Sweeping generalizations may do fine for venting...but they don't work in the real world.

Peace to you and yours.

RM